Talk:Meta

Did the Meta have the Tex AI
Assuming Tex is also an AI and that one of the freelancers that the Meta got was the one with two ais in her/his head that totally explains all of the AI

No. it doesnt. Perhaps he has Andy as well

I would like to offer this up: What if Tex is an A.I., and her armor enhancement is her stealth ability, and Omega's armor enhancement was super-strength. It would make sense, seeing as when she had Omega, she could lift Sheila and after Omega left her, she couldn't even lift Andy. NotAFighter 02:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Armor enhancements arent built into the AI, they are seperate, so omega dosent have an armor enhancement, its built into the armor. Maybe the armor enhancements are stored in a chip thats put in a slot in the armor like an AI. With the super strength thing, in Out of Mind it says that the AIs gave them super stregnth so thats why she could lift Shiela, but the other characters couldnt carry andy either, so Andy was just heavy


 * If armor enhancements are seperate from AIs, then how does Gamma use Temporal Distortion? --Bron Hañda 17:33, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The super strength was built into the armor if it was like her Revelation armor. Starwarsspartan 02:55, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

So if the known ones are Delta, Theta, Omega, Gamma. Then the unknown ones are probably Tex, Sigma, possibly Andy (probably not)

Please keep Speculation out of the Articles and on the talk pages --WhellerNG 16:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I removed the information about "Sigma's Armor Enhancement." Sigma is an AI, he does not have Armor. Thus he does not have an Armor Enhancement. --WhellerNG 01:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I also removed the statement how about Beta Production comes before Alpha Production. this is false. Alpha is before Beta.--WhellerNG 19:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually since Washington used Agent York's healing unit on himself after South betrayed him during the Meta confrontation in Recovery One and then again on Caboose in [Reconstruction, it would be unlikely that the Meta had York's healing unit, at least during the events of Reconstruction.--Person122 17:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe gamma is the white AI to the left of the Meta in Reconstruction Chapter 19 and Omega is the black one on his right and Theta is the purple one. As North is purple.

If the meta had captured the orignal Tex AI he would have had 8 AI at the end of Reconstruction Chapter 19.

Starwarsspartan 02:48, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

He did listen to the interview on Tex's page. He had Sigma Gamma Omega Theta Delta and Alpha-Tex in Reconstruction Chapter 19 I think thats all he had that have been named then what he had two others right? Point is he had Tex she was the gray Halo 2 model. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  01:37, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

The grey one was Gamma. Wash said he responded to 5 recovery beacons all of which were caused by the Meta, add that to Omega and you have the 7 AI's he had at the end of reconstruction. Starwarsspartan 02:48, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Um, how exactly did you know that the grey one was Gamma? and sign you post by pressing the signature button. But make sure to make a profile if you want one. Cyrus Arc  02:08, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Because (theory) there are three AIs that have spartan avatars. One is Delta for sure and I think the other two are Omega and Gamma Omega being the halo 1 spartan because that is when he appeared and Gamma is the halo 2 spartan for the same reason. Starwarsspartan 02:46, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but you did not state it was a theory before, but you stated it like it was a fact. Next time make sure you say it is a theory okay :) Happy Editing Cyrus  Arc  02:51, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

So did the Meta have Tex or not? Starwarsspartan 04:10, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Burnie confirmed it! Cyrus Arc  04:11, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

And it was the Halo 2 gray spartan Omega was the Halo Combat Evolved gray one. Delta we all know of course as the green one but the rest we are left to guess whos AI is who. But you are wrong about the Gamma AI that is known as fact. Burnie said in an interveiw which one Tex was. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  04:23, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Then the Meta would have had 9 AIs Starwarsspartan 23:51, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

No we just have 1 more confirmed and one less unknown AI. He had 7 Tex Omega Delta Gamma Sigma and Theta and 1 other I think might be 2. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  00:12, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Meta started out with Sigma, then killed 3 freelancers, wash responded to york's recovery beacon, he killed north, pelican crashed, he took tex, omega, and gamma, then stole delta. that makes 9. Starwarsspartan 00:18, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wash just said he responded to 3 it was never said the Meta killed them. Look Norths AI is Theta. The Metas AI are Sigma Theta Tex Gamma Omega and lastly Delta. You only see seven in Reconstruction if there were more they would show themselves. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  00:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

All their armor enhancements and AIs were missing so unless there is another freelancer who is taking stuff it has to be the meta. Starwarsspartan 02:36, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but it is never said its the Meta. We have one that is the Meta. 2 may have been stolen and one of the said 2 may be Wyoming in Blood Gulch which while unlikely is possible. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  02:55, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

What? Starwarsspartan 03:49, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Here let me dumb it down for you.

1.It was never said the Meta was the killer.

2. Only 1 of those could have been the Meta because there is one unknown AI.

3.The others may have been taken by Project Freelancer Agents. At the time the Agency is still very shady.

4.Who says one of the calls wasn't Wyoming in Blood Gulch while unlikely it is possible. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  04:24, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

1. Wash said the agents were dead, the AIs were missing and so were the enhancments.

2. Others could not have avatars.

3. The meta would have hunted them down for the AIs.

4. That was after recovery one.

Starwarsspartan 18:09, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't need it dumbed down you did not understand so I explained in an easier way and don't go around thinking your the shit because you arn't. Season 5 wasn't after it and I said that it was only a theory. Every AI has an avatar which is one reason you are wrong. And so what if the agents were dead no one said who it was. I don;t know why you new users are all making speculations when they are all wrong and then when proved and faced with facts they still refuse to admit it. END OF DISCUSSION if you want to keep talking here be my guest but you wont have anyone to talk to. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  19:55, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not refusing to accept it. I'm just pointing out an inconstincy. Starwarsspartan 20:34, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to clarify this issue the Meta had seven Artificial intelligence by the end of Reconstruction.It was said that Washington responded to five recovery beacons.Two of the reacovery beacons were revealed to be Agent New York and Agent North Dakota but it is possible that the other two recovery beacons belonged to Wyoming and Texas.Texas took Wyoming's helmet at the end of the Blood Gulch Chronicles which may have had his recovery beacon inside.When the ship crashed in Vahalla the soldiers stationed there came in contact with it at first and were soon taken over by Omega at different periods.Maine then should up,vistited the crash site,captured Gamma and Texas, and then stole Omega.With his A.I Sigma along with those he captured at Vahalla he had a total of four.He than killed North and another Freelancer later and took their A.I's now having a total of six.He later took Delta away from Caboose during Reconstruction now having seven up until the end of Reconstrucion and then lost them all when the EMP activiated.--Soldier Jean

Meta a him.
In the last Chapter of Reconstruction the Director calls the Meta "him" meaning that we can take out the he/she/it things.--67.35.70.194 18:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah... though it was kind of obvious "Agent Maine" was male. Then again, look at Tex in early Blood Gulch...

I don't think that we should rule out The Meta's Gender as possibly female until It's gender is confirmed. Blackwolf99 22:45, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

It already has been confrimed. Washington called the Meta "he" before.
 * Yeah. And Church called Tex a he too. Anyway, I just watched the latest episode and when Tex stabbed the Meta, I can hear a woman's grunts. It's probably Tex, but why would she grunt liked she'd been stabbed? I'm probably wrong and am likely to be proven wrong, but just pointing it out.Fair field fencer F F F  15:28, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was Tex and I think it may have been because of the shot damageing her causing her to have to strain to stab him and what not.Sniperteam82308 19:17, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Meta's a he that groan was Tex getting tried of fighting also in Recreation you can clearly hear Meta yell in a male voice.Rvb forever 03:41, March 19, 2011 (UTC)Rvb forever

Church has his own theme?
From the Trivia section, I could swear Church has his own theme music too. After going back and watching a few weeks ago, you can hear it in at least Episode 50 (51)? and on High Ground in Reconstruction. I wanted to discuss it though, before making the change. Thanks. --31stCenturyMatt 21:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Kills
This page says that the Meta has more kills than any character in the series. I thought Tex had that award. Wierdperson31 20:23, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

She did hold that record, then the meta claimed it i believe.Kre &#39;Nunumee 03:51, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

AI
I think it's safe to say that The Meta lost all of his AI during the EMP in Reconstruction, As shown in Revelation his Armor Enhancements barely function and I'm sure we would have seen his AI by now since Revelation is coming to it's end. This article states that " The Meta is next seen having problems with his Armor enhancements, To which Washington advises he stop using them. It is assumed by Simmons, though not confirmed that all of The Meta's AI's actually were wiped out by the EMP " This has been bugging me ever since i first read this so i think we can edit out the part that says "though not confirmed". i just want to bring this to peoples attention before i edit this.Rvb forever 15:27, August 7, 2010 (UTC)Rvb forever

Yeah, i was the one who put that down and i dont have a problem changing it. It was stated as a plot point to inform us of whats going on and nothing has been done to refute it. Besides, you keep looking for confirmation and thing are just gonna get pedantic. Do it if you want, though i dont have real authority in this matter Ironreaper 15:48, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Im going to wait until the end of Revelation so i can be sure of it, im glad i put this up for discussion because things like these can result in edit wars really easy. im hoping an admin will respond so we can see his take on this.Rvb forever 17:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC)Rvb forever

I listened to the jenga jam interview and at 1:30:11 a person asks how an EMP works and what its purpose was,Burnie talks about the EMP specifically being made to destroy AI and he talks about how it can affect people. Now this got me thinking the EMP disables Warthogs and everything in the AI storage facility at the end of Chapter19. But is was designed to destroy the AI's. So why would the AI's survive? Plus Church went inside the The Meta and held him off,so im sure there was know way The Meta could have escaped. Also it's very clear that EMP affected Meta's armor enhancements so why not AI? In Recreation it's also clear that the Meta was going to kill or injure Simmmons,Donut and Lopez. But he had trouble doing even that as Washington explained after killing South, AI do more than just Armor Enhancements they collect battle data such as enemy postions and so on. One more thing, this article also states that the Meta lost a huge amount of power after Lopez hit him with a missle pod. That really doesn't make any sense, we have seen The Meta take on alot of fatal shots and explosives but still be fine. Again im just stating my opinion on this matter and im not going to edit this article unti this is confirmed.Rvb forever 18:36, August 7, 2010 (UTC)Rvb forever

never mind now someone changed itRvb forever 20:13, September 7, 2010 (UTC)Rvb forever

Possible Reason for Model Change
THIS IS PURE SPECULATION AND SHOULD NOT IMMEDIATELY BE TAKEN AS FACT.

I have a theory as to why the Meta's armor set changed from Recreation to Revelation. Revelation was the first season of Red vs Blue to feature CGI sequences, which use models ripped directly from the Halo games. In order for any character to be in the CGI sequences, RoosterTeeth obviously needs the model for them. Instead of ripping the model from Halo 3, I think they used this model pack ripped from the Halo 3 Beta, which has the EVA and CQB sets, but NOT the EOD or Scout sets. If this is true, it explains why the chest piece and right shoulder was changed, AND why the helmet and left shoulder was not. I think that RoosterTeeth changed the Meta's armor simply because they didn't have the necessary models to animate the original set.

Reason for my thinking this:

Close examination of the CGIed Warthog and Washington's CGIed Battle Rifle in Upon Further Review shows that they are models ripped from Halo 2, not Halo 3. Both those models, as well as many more, can be downloaded from the same site as the model pack mentioned above. This leads me to believe that RoosterTeeth does not have the ability (or maybe just the patience) to rip models from the disk, and must either get ripped models form outside sources, or just make the models themselves.

It's one helluva stretch and not really RvB related, I know, but unless someone wants to ask RoosterTeeth directly why the Meta's armor was changed, this is the only real explanation we've got...

- Halcyon VI 23:08, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Andy
Andy was audible during the recording from the ship Washington listened to, so he survived his own explosion, and since he's an AI, could he have been taken by the Meta?

No he didn't he survived the explosion not the crash. He might have but the Meta would not have taken him just like he didn't take Lopez reason being they arn't fragments of the Alpha.Sniperteam82308 10:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

METAs face
Should we add luke mckays picture of metas face here?

METAs face
Should we add luke mckays picture of metas face here?

I want to say no but Wheller says Luke's pictures are canon. Even though some can't be. Like Tex and Church.Template:Sniperteam82308 16:51, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

I already have it, but DONT PUT IT ON THE PAGE UNLESS WHELLER APROVES! Got it? I don't want to be blocked AGAIN for something I didn't do. Jman  98  04:24, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

There is no way in hell those Luke Mcay pictures are canon.They look to ridiculous.--Soldier Jean 02:59, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sigh that is honestly what I used to say. And some are incorrect too! Like the Church and Tex ones. Even after their "deaths" they are still portrayed as human. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  03:01, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously there faces in those drawings are not ralistic they are two cartoonish.Though one thing I like about the drawings is the appearance of Tex, she is hot.--Soldier Jean 03:07, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. Another thing is they aren't consistant. Now I understand major character changes like Tucker's enthinticity. But heres one. He now doesn't have Simmons as Simmons 2.0. And honestly I thought the 2.0 was crappy looking. He actually reminded me of Lobot. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  03:11, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think the Simmon's 2.0 thing is a lot of crap.Personally I don't think his organs were replaced with all that machinery.--Soldier Jean 03:14, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I know! McKay your good at art. BUT please don't make pictures of RvB characters. Most will be shown in Season 9 anyway. I bet they will look like damn McKay art. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  03:18, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I would rather there faces not be shown if it is not going to be realistic.--Soldier Jean 03:21, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I know. I mean York's looked good but I don't think McKay ever made art about him. And its likely only those in the Freelancer plotline that will have their faces exposed. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  03:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I would love to see Tex in a human form and in that new spartan armor for females.Damn she would look fucking amazing.--Soldier Jean 03:27, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

That would be awesome. Then seeing Sister. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  03:29, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I would love to see Sister too, I would escpecially like a naked sister in my room right now.Anyway regarding the Meta's face I do not think the Luke Mckay drawings are canon there more of use in comedy for comics than in actual plotlines for the show.--Soldier Jean 03:33, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thats how I feel. I mean honestly he looks to me like a berserk white Mr. T. Your Friend :) Sniperteam82308  03:35, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Is the Meta Alive or Dead?
Ever since the events of N+1, I have always wondered: is the Meta alive? Or did he truly die? Well, this is why I am editing the Meta's Talk section: to solve a question that I have seen in arguements between fans of RvB all across the Interwebz by presenting the facts of both sides to come to a conclusion.

Lets see. What exactly happened? Well, SPOILER ALERT the Meta was dragged off a cliff by a 'Hog's cable. Later, one of the ODSTs stated, "I gotta hand it to you; killing one of these guys isn't easy, but three?" By "three" he meant Tex, Washington, and Maine. The latter of the two facts (how he died and the fact that the ODST stated he was deceased) is what most use to support the idea that the Meta is dead.

However, we never saw his body, unlike Tex's and Washington's (though the latter was just his armour). And what's more, the ODST only saw Tex's body & Washington's armour, as well as talked to another ODST and the Reds, Blues, and Washington. He most likely only stated that three were dead because the Reds, Blues, and Washington said so. And they never looked for his body; only for Grif, hanging on to his Brute Shot. No, I doubt he did die.

But what else is there to support the idea that he is dead? Well, I was sure there are other facts...um...can anyone else help me out here? Any other facts for boths sides of the arguement would be appriciated.

Sorry I can't think of any other facts... and I remember Burnie confirming his death in a Jenga Jam interview. Also please sign your posts with 4 of these ~ at the end of each post. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  18:22, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I searched for an interview, and found one, but nothing was mentioned of his death (as it was far before the season existed). And besides, they also "confirmed" that Luke McKay's drawings were canon, which is clearly disproven when South Dakota removed her helmet. So they might decide to change things up.

But back to adding facts and whatnot, a reason to support the fact that he is dead would be because of his different armour. I believe it was the fact that he was struck by (a) rocket(s) that made him change armour, and why not change it if he were weaker? And if he were weaker, he might not have survived. But this is pure speculation at best, and, at worst, an incorrect insight.24.233.221.113 01:06, August 5, 2011 (UTC)RevanRedeemed

Its an interview with Jenga Jam. I believe it is on Tex's page. It also confirmed the Tex seen in Revelation was an Epsilon version. And I have no memory of Rooster Teeth saying they are canon. I only remember Wheller saying they were to be. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  01:25, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

if my memory serves me correctly the meta has gone through far more damage than falling off a cliff i bet we will see his return in the near future 71.17.77.161 07:35, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Split Pages
We may in the near future need to split agent maine from the meta, as the meta is an insane powerdriven being, and with the start of backstories in season 9, we will see agent maine as an agent in project freelancer.

-67.82.7.131

But they are confirmed the same person. Maine went crazy when his A.I. Sigma convinced him to collect all the A.I. to get the Alpha. Thus the Meta was born. As confirmed by Burnie on Jenga Jam. And Wash in Reconstruction. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  10:41, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

how did maine win?
In the episode Reunion of Revelation when Tex, Maine. and Wash fought Maine won against Tex but York said that Tex was better then all the freelancers and in the newest episode of Season 9 it shows Tex beating Maine, Wyoming, and York how did Maine win against Tex in N+1?

Uh..I want you to re-watch the RvB seasons again so you know that the Tex in Revelation and the one in Season 1-5 and 9 are not the same. >_<
 * Plus, she was kind of shot and the pain obviously made her movement sluggish. Hard to fight someone like Maine when your reflexes aren't at their best.Fair field fencer F F F  09:26, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

On top of that, she's an A.I. Based on failure. --Oo7nightfire 12:00, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Damn.... but Nightfire the original Tex must have also been an A.I. based around failure thus thats invalid. Can't go against Jmans and, due to her grunts of pain, FFF. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  19:06, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

How is it invalid Sniper? P.S.- Welcome back! Oo7nightfire 19:17, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Good point... I was thinking because if Tex was failure based always then it would have been invalid but now thinking about it York wouldn't have said that. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  19:47, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well since Epsilon said Tex was based off failure maybe the trait passed on to Epsilon-Tex. Oo7nightfire 20:03, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe.... bonus points perhaps? Tex did get special treatment. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  22:06, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It is posiible that the fail-trait was passed to her, seeing as she's created using memories from Alpha who gained his memories from the director. P.S. happy one year on the site sniper! 71.7.225.215 23:11, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd thought that passed already though to be honest. Wasn't it in April? Ah well and thats what I'm thinking right now. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  23:14, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

On your profile page it says August 20 2010, I think. 71.7.225.215 23:21, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I was wrong, it was April. 71.7.225.215 23:23, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * You guys are over-thinking it. Tex is still a highly trained fighter, and has regularly kicked the arses of the Red and Blue Teams, yes, she is based of failure, but she's not going to fail at everything she does, then she would be completely useless, that's a far too simplistic train of thought, she is only going to fail when it really matters. Her Epsilon-Tex's final fight against the Meta and Washington was important, because Epsilon's fate was hanging in the balance, she needed to protect him and she failed at it by getting captured. Same with the first Tex trying to save Alpha, she got there to late, that mattered, so she failed at it. --WhellerNG 18:35, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats a good point. But what about Tex saving York's life. I believe that if he died that would be important. Although I agree with the only important things fail. Sniperteam82308   I Wanna Pony  21:20, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * There's one question relating to that fight in Reunion and the fight in Introductions: Is the new Tex weaker, or have Wash and Meta just got stronger?


 * • Meta had no AI when he fought Tex the second time, so he was basically Agent Maine again. But compared to his last fight, his technique improved significantly (though still quite basic). This supports both theories: (Tex being weaker or Maine being stronger)
 * • Tex relying on explosives and an arsenal of weapons to hold off Wash and Maine. Another hint she was weaker than the original as the original Tex used just her skill, reflexes and lockdown paint to beat York, Wyoming and Maine.
 * • Washington and Meta using better teamwork/tactics. In the original fight, Wyoming and Maine just went for a headlong rush, which had predictable results. In the next fight, Wash and Meta worked together to put Tex on the defensive, using the environment to their advantage, taking their turns in attacking her. (hinting they've gotten stronger)
 * • Injuries: Tex's durability is comparitivly lacking with her skill; she's the most skilled Freelancer in the series (aside from Carolina) but she's a glass cannon: She can dish it out, but she can't take it. She was able to hold her own against Wash and Meta until Wash shot her in the back. Her reflexes and skill dropped significantly whilst Meta could take everything she threw at him: knife wounds, shattered bones. etc.

Should the Title be "Meta" or "Maine"?
I think the page should be renamed "Maine", because "Maine" is the more current and more importent name that is being used. --Bron Hañda 03:41, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Good point. And Meta is more of a nickname. The Director even continues to call him Agent Maine in Reconstruction. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  03:51, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think he should be called Meta because season 9 is partially a prequel meaning its not happening currently. Plus in Reconstruction the Director also calls him Meta more times than maine in his messages. Wash also isnt the only person who refers to him as "Meta", every character does. I think it should go back to Meta because thats his latest name. Maine was his past name. Similar to washs infopic. --Oo7nightfire 04:08, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

But his Freelancer name was unknown to any of the other characters. They heard Wash call it Meta they followed. Leaving it only a nickname. Its likely that The Director hadn't a clue which Agent the Meta was until seeing hi in Reconstruction. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  04:11, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ahem, I believe he was called Meta by the director during the letters to the chairmen. He said "We are not certain to what this "Meta" is". So, yeah. He should remain as Meta. Just saying.

"The Meta" is the resulting personality from Maine being corrupted by several AI. Throughout the series there has always been an Agent Maine, but there isn't a Meta in Season 9. --Bron Hañda 04:44, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maine is not more current, Season 9's freelancer parts are prequel. Which makes Revelation more important. Sniper, this is the second time You've renamed a page or merged content that needs to be separate without consulting me. From now on, big changes to major articles like that need to be run by me first, Do it again without consulting me and you will find yourself a regular user. Permanently this time. --WhellerNG 04:49, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * We realize that The Freelancer parts are prequel. I was just saying thatwihle Maine is offficial the Meta is more of a nickname given by Wash. The other characters not knowing who or what he was simply followed suit. The Director, in my opinion, didn't know who The Meta was. Upon the realization he was Agent Maine he refered to him as such i.e. Reconstruction Chapter 19. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  10:59, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with sniper. Technically Meta is a nickname, but I think Maine gave it to himself. And actually Wheller Sniper has made many major changes while you were gone that benefitted this wiki greatly, and he's working really hard and has been doing a fantastic job. And not to be offensive, but you are not on very much Wheller, it would be hard for everything to go through you. Cyrus  Arc  15:53, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm on this wiki every day, though I make most of my efforts insuring that the major articles are up to snuff. I'm not asking that every little change should be cleared through me. But large changes like renaming a page of a major character? Things like that? Should be. --WhellerNG 18:26, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright from now it will be that way. However I'd enjoy it if I was given a more... immediant answer. I don't want to wait through one of your longer periods of absence for something important such as a name change. Also Cyrus. I'm wondering how he could have given himself a nickname others would stand.... or how Wash understands his growls.:P Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  21:23, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * C.T. also gave herself a nickname and Carolina called her by it in Introductions. "Tex" is also a nickname and mostly all of the characters call her by that name. Its like when someone in real life changes his/her name. If a character changes his/her name & want to be referred by that name, they should be called by that name. Oo7nightfire 21:30, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * But its unknown if he made it his nickname or if someone else, i.e. Wash, gave him said nickname. I only believe this because while even Recovery Command uses Wash's nickname all higher ups refer to him as Agent Maine. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  21:39, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Who cares if the higher ups call him Maine, they don't own him anymore. He went rogue/independant meaning The Meta doesn't take orders from them anymore. And when was it ever confirmed Washington gave Meta his nickname? Oo7nightfire 21:51, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its not been confirmed. I only say that because its not sure who gave Maine his nickname. And I believen the higer ups do count. I mean if they call other Agents by their nickname why not call Maine Meta? Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  22:07, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably the reason they called him Maine was to deceive him by reminding him of his past. They were probably trying to lure him back to Project Freelancer, and once they got a hold of him they would put him in prison and take back all the A.I. he captured. And P. Freelancer sometimes did call their agents by nickname, i.e. "Wash" Oo7nightfire 22:34, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Then why would Recoevery Commannd do so? She wouldn't be heard by the Meta. And thats what I said. If they call Freelancers by their nick names, such as Washington Wash, why not call Maine, Meta. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  22:45, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * They were probably used to calling him Maine. If they didn't know Maine was the Meta, they would've called him Meta. Nonetheless, Meta doesn't work for P. Freelancer anymore, so Maine is pretty much obsolete. Oo7nightfire 23:00, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * The page can stay as it is, sadly, but from now on I'm referening to him as Maine. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  23:09, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I respect your opinions, I was mainly just trying to get my point across. Oo7nightfire 23:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you guys not remember that he wrote "We Are the Meta" in the wall During the trailer in Reconstruction? Personally I think that Sigma gave the name. Cyrus  Arc  03:54, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or, you can just suck it up and realize that he gave the name to himself. :|
 * I'm gonna guess since he had multiple AI's in his head his brain was to fried to think up anything for himself let alone a name. Cyrus  Arc  08:39, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I respect your opinions, I was mainly just trying to get my point across. Oo7nightfire 23:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you guys not remember that he wrote "We Are the Meta" in the wall During the trailer in Reconstruction? Personally I think that Sigma gave the name. Cyrus  Arc  03:54, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or, you can just suck it up and realize that he gave the name to himself. :|
 * I'm gonna guess since he had multiple AI's in his head his brain was to fried to think up anything for himself let alone a name. Cyrus  Arc  08:39, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Get off me
I'm pretty sure it was Wyoming who said "get off me", not Maine. The voice and accent sounded like Wyoming. If Rooster Teeth wanted Maine to talk, they would have made his first heard words a lot more meaningful. Sona 'Demal 04:59, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wyoming wasn't in frame. Listen to the episode again, not only is the voice much deeper and gruffer than Wyoming's. Maine brushes a medic off him when he tries to help. --WhellerNG 05:07, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw. I was wondering why Rooster Teeth would make Maine talk when it clearly wasn't necessary. All he could have done was push the medic away wordlessly. That's another reason I don't think it's him, by the way. Sona 'Demal 05:09, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * It was Maine/Meta. The voice didn't seem… as human as Wyoming. And as Wheller said, he brushes the medic away.-- 02:13, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can understand why you might have thought it Wyoming, both Wyoming and Maine are voiced by Matt Hullum --WhellerNG 05:32, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was necessary for the timeline to make sense. The sequence of events according to Out of Mind and S9 Trailer are Tex arrives>York injured>Maine shot in the throat. Maine had to have been able to talk during the initial fight with Tex.130.126.212.188 04:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * He also says "Too high" in episode 15 before being kicked out of the window. But the voice he uses is very gravelly. Maybe he already has some sort of voicebox modification, or maybe the voice modulator is actually an implant, and Maine's was botched enough that he lost much of his voice? At any rate, He hasn't suffered his "Simulation Trooper neck wound" yet, but he's talking gravelly. AV42 23:56, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Omega
Remember how omega could move from suit to suit and York blames omega not Maine maybe omega was in Maine when he through the grenade King692

I don't think so. omega can only move from suit to suit the via radio, plus at the time he didnt know how. He learned it from Alpha, & the first person he was Caboose. And if he did move to Maine, York wouldn't even have known.--Oo7nightfire 20:56, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Voice actor
Who was the voice actor for "Get off me!" and I think it's a pretralier season because Maine talking is a REALLY big deal King692

Its not entirely pretrailer. I'm guessing the trailer was just part of an episode that they felt wouldn't reveal to many spoilers. Reason its not entirely pretrailer is because York is seen on this mission however he wasn't going to be let out until the next day in the trailer. As for who voices Maine I'd say Matt but no one truly knows. I'd say Matt simply because he is the one who throws his voice allot and I can see him getting the much deeper growly voice for Maine than I couild anyother cast member.. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  02:59, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Fine I guess it's a half pretralier season -_- King692

Don't get upset with me because I pointed out a flaw in you thought. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  04:21, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I do always jump to conclusions King692


 * Matt Hullum did the growling voice for the Meta in the previous seasons. Logically, he's going to continue to voice him. --WhellerNG 04:42, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * In Wikipedia it says some guy named Azaan Ansari voiced him. However I don't really beieve it. -- RandomContributor46.176.50.194 10:43, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * They probably ment "Aziz Ansari" but it cannot be him because he is a famous comedian. Oo7nightfire 10:53, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

The Meta and the Grabbing
Alright... Well then. Nice catch on the first one. As for the second one is speculation but I must agree thats a more likely reason as he could have easily grabbed Simmons or Sarge. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  20:38, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Spoiler* I was watching the fight, and the Capture Unit doesn't just "disconnect" from his back as he goes down. Sarge yanks it offa him. Also, I don't think the reason Grif was grabbed was simply to score one more kill. I think it was because he wanted his knifle back to possibly sever the cable and save himself.65.33.172.60 20:22, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that second one. It could've been he was having an "Oh crap" moment, and couldn't think clearly (clearly for him, anyway) and didn't think to grab anyone until he was right by Grif. Wierdperson31 07:19, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

error
in the season 9 trailer the director said simulation not inserection im confussed King692

Personally, I believe the Season 9 trailer is non-canon, similar to the Recreation trailer. --Oo7nightfire 20:57, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well Nightire beat me to it. But hes correct. As of now the Season 9 Trailer is to be considered non-canon. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  20:57, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

yeah so should it be put in error of season 9 King692

No your not understanding. The trailer was non canon. Not an error. Just noncanon. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  21:23, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Shot
How could Maine withstand being sniped, shot in the the throat like 10 times, getting hit by a truck, and get knocked off a freeway and still be alive.

I don't know.... maybe his armor is secretly made out of duct tape. Or plexiglass. :P Proven by Episode 4 the Freelancers do have Energy Sheilds. And a Spartan can withstand those things. And in the amount of time between injuries they could have recharged... or you know. Its a fictional series therefore doesn't have to deal with realism. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  22:09, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Have you not seen the Recollections series? Have you not seen what else he's lived through? Have you not seen what he is capable of? IT'S THE META. I wouldn't be surprised if he survived the incident with the warthog and gravity. Wierdperson31 23:05, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

You must understand though that was with all of his A.I. and enhancements. They probably helped him with his endurance. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  23:14, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you got a point, there. Wierdperson31 23:37, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Somehow, I get the feeling that the Meta's Armor Enhancement may have been increased durability, and had it implanted in his armor as presumably a test run to see how passive armor abilities would work without A.Is.(Carolina's chameleon abilities and agility and Tex's invisibility would be considered active). The Director may have been using the three of them to see how the armor would cope under the stress of the abilities without an A.I to fine-tune the usage of the systems. Just the way I see it. Galvascream 09:50, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Season 9
In seson 9 Maine doesnt seem like such a bad gut compared to Reconstruction becuase he saved Carolina and York and he also helped Carolina fight the Insurrection Joshua 02:09, November 6, 2011 (UTC)LackingSonic

Thats because he doesn't have all of the A.I. in his head to corrupt his mind. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  02:13, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sigma
How do we know Sigma is Maines AI? I Never heard anything about Maine even having an AI in the series

Please sign your name, and Burnie confirmed it in an interview. Cyrus Arc  03:00, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

The Meta's Symbol
I've got a little issue with the meta's symbol, being quoted as having Lambda in it, while you can MAKE a Lamda out of the shapes there, I don't think that ity was intentional. The shapes that exist here, are Omega, Delta, 2 Gamma's back to back, Xi which is over the top of the Gamma's, and creating what looks like mirrored Epsilon symbols, and finally a Sigma on it's side on the bottom.

The suggestion that there is also a Lambda is based purely on the fact that there is a Delta symbol, and we know it's supposed to mean Delta. Nothing here suggests that Lambda exists beyond the fact that it's the same shape as Delta.

Using this logic you could say that the center of Xi that makes up the middle arm on the E's is Iota. or that Sigma is also Mu.

As for Tau. It can be argured that there is a Tau symbol in there, with the mirrored Gamma's making up the T shape, but there is a clear gap between them, and although this does make up a T shape allowing us to see the word META in the symbol, the intention to have soemthign look LIKE a T doesn't mean that the Tau symbol is actually present.124.170.64.78 03:33, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

ok great King692 23:11, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to propose to change the top quote on The Meta's page. Yes, Maine did actually say "Get off me!", but I say this is not a good quote to represent his character. i would propose the "8 of Tex" or some other similar line as a more fitting substitute.

Metafan214 02:37, May 10, 2012 (UTC) Metafan214

what about when he was getting in the warthog he said thanks to wash176.248.221.32 12:11, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

The meta's name or face
Notice that Maine is the only Freelancer that appeared to have nothing revealed about. Everyone elses name or face has been revealed. Is this important enough to put in the trivia?TheBluester 22:37, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

No, because Utah's face and name has not been revealed either. Even less is known about him. Oo7nightfire 22:45, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Right, i forgot he was revealedTheBluester 22:49, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget Georgia. Western Gen 00:06, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

He said Freelancer that appeared. Georgia never made an appearance. Oo7nightfire 00:24, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Since the Meta had the ability to change his armour colour in Reconstruction, and this was one of Carolina's enhancements in Season 9, then doesn't that mean that at some point before Reconstruction the Meta must have taken this from her, and also her two AIs? It would also explain why Delta seemed to presume that she was dead.

85.211.148.92 16:22, July 3, 2012 (UTC)socksucker

No, because all of the Meta's victims were killed by the Meta and the Meta only had 1 AI that doesn't have a confirmed identity. Both of these basically refute your theory, as Carolina is alive and, assuming she did have 2 AI, neither of their identities have been mentioned or confirmed.Interesting but not noteworthy 23:38, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

But we don't know for certain that the Meta killed all of his victims. It may be that he simply took their AIs and enhancements, and left them alive for other reasons. Purely speculation, and I wouldn't be asking at all if it wasn't for the Meta having the Camoflauge armour enhancement in Reconstruction which we now know belonged to Carolina. 85.211.196.49 23:55, July 3, 2012 (UTC) socksucker

Yeah, there are two problems with your theory: first, all of the Meta's confirmed victims were confirmed dead. The only one that wasn't was Caboose and that could simply be due to the plot and ratings: Caboose is such a popular character that killing him off would just reduce the ratings. Carolina is not a confirmed victim of the Meta, thus your point is very weak. Second, I keep telling people this same thing, I don't know why no one listens: just because something is an armor enhancement and not standard issue DOES NOT BY ANY MEANS mean that there is only one of it: in military testing environments, and in most testing environments, they make the product being tested in large quantities to ensure maximum results. Logic dictates that Project Freelancer would do the same thing unless the ones commencing the tests (I.E. The Director) is dumb as a box of rocks. Do you have any other theories or are we done? Either way, I suggest you move this topic here because a talk page is really not the place for this.Interesting but not noteworthy 00:06, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Also, was it confirmed that Tex was one of the Meta's AIs? The Meta was trying to aquire all of the emotional fragments to create the Alpha, but Tex isn't one of the emotional fragments. The reason given for why the Meta didn't take Andy in the talk section was that he wasn't one of the emotional fragments, so wouldn't the same apply to Tex? Also, unlike the other AIs, Tex and Church had the ability to move around independent of their suit of armour, so why would Tex stay in the ship?

85.211.150.126 12:23, July 4, 2012 (UTC)socksucker

The Meta couldn't take Andy because Andy is, well, a weapon and not a Freelancer type AI. How & why would he need him, he can't run any equipment or help him in battle?. Also, who ever said Meta was taking "emotional" AI. He was just taking AI fragments from Freelancers, where does "emotional" come from? Tex also was a fragment of the Alpha, it's explained in Hate to Say Goodbye, and therefore was able to be taken by the Meta. Also, who ever said Tex stayed in the ship? Her body was brought to Valhalla Red Base & that's where Omega infected the Reds (explained in Reconstruction Chapter 1) It was confirmed by Burnie Burns that Tex was destroyed by the EMP along the Meta's other AI. Oo7nightfire 12:42, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I knew it! Sort of...so it is possible that Caroliana gave him the enhancement also?Socksucker (talk) 00:11, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Neck Injury
So was the season 9 trailer canon or not cause it said that he got shot in the neck by simulation troopers and that he'll probably never talk again, as he doesn't talk throughout season 9 but on his page it says he got what happened at the end of season 9 and doesn't mention the trailer MrAntony2U (talk) 11:52, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

It was confirmed non-canon by Monty Oum. Oo7nightfire (talk) 12:12, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok sweet as MrAntony2U (talk) 21:36, August 14, 2012 (UTC)