Forum:Speculation House

Greetings users of this wikia, I'm Pwndulquiorra telling you right now that, if you want to speculate about the series, there's no place anywhere on this site better than this. You want to tell us what's going to happen in Season 10? Go ahead. Want to guess a backstory for your favorite characters? You can do that, too. This is the only place on this site that speculation is allowed so, if you feel like adding speculation, do it here.Pwndulquiorra 03:10, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Armor in Halo 4?
So then just a quick question what armor set do you guys believe they'll use if they switch to the Halo 4 Engine? Cory Jaynes (talk) 19:57, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Probably the helmet Master Chief has or the Mark IV.

~Master Legolas-117

Apparently, that armor isn't in the multiplayer. Which sucks because the normal Mark-whatever armor is best for RvB. The new designs...don't really fit it that well. Western Gen (talk) 21:28, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Church Theory
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 * TheMegaShyGuy 22:17, April 22, 2012 (UTC) - That's impossible, the Church from Blood Gulch has to be Alpha because at the end of Reconstruction, Wash pulls out Epsilon from storage with Church already standing next to him. How would you explain that?
 * ??? 11:30 april 23, 2012 who says that wasn't Epsilon next to Washington, and Alpha in the storage containment system.
 * TheMegaShyGuy 00:46, April 26, 2012 (UTC) - Umm... Washington did. He specifically said "This is my A.I.... This is Epsilon." Plus they said they moved Alpha after Tex tried to break him out, they wouldn't put him bak i the same place.
 * Patrorin 05:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC) - They would if all the info at the HQ says that it was Epsilon,No one would know except Alpha and the Director.
 * There are so many flaws with this theory it's not even funny. #1. Memory flashes #2. "Memory is the key" -Delta. I would think the other AIs would be able to tell Epsilon from the alpha....specially Delta... #3. The re-creation of blood gultch. #4. Epsilon has the memory forms of the other AIs. Including Tex. --Kore wa shomeidesu. 19:28, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cory Jaynes (talk) 01:57, August 29, 2012 (UTC) - I believe that Epsilon could serve as a back up to Alpha possibly even becoming a new Alpha in case of his destruction also another theory is that if an A.I. get's destroyed in field all of it's memories could be transmitted to the Epsilon unit to also serve as a Backup for all the A.I. unit's Epsilon Delta Could possibly be Delta restoring it's strength and personallity.

Allison's Appearance
Hello and Goodbye 23:23, April 25, 2012 (UTC) - I have a theory on the appearance of Allison, the Director's lost love. You see, I've looked at the Director numerous times and I've noticed a few things; his facial structure, his hair color and his general appearance is similar to that of Luke McKay's drawing of Church in his comics. While I will concede that there are differences, the general look is the same. My question is, if this remains the same with other AI like the Alpha, then wouldn't it be plausible to say that Allison would look like Luke McKay's drawings of Tex? I realize that there would be differences in appearances based on the character's preferences, personality, age, and disorders and I also realize that Luke McKay's drawings don't automatically equal canon. It's just something I wanted to put out there. It's an idea that's been sitting in my head for a while and I just wanted to share it. What do you think?


 * Well, Wyoming ended up looking a lot like Luke's drawing of him, only about 25 years younger. It's possible. --wa&#39; DaHoHchugh chotwI&#39; SoH, wa&#39;&#39;uy&#39; DaHoHchugh charghwI&#39; SoH, Hoch DaHoHchugh Qun SoH. (talk) 12:43, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Season 10
I have a theory about season 10. I think not only will it be about the freelancer backstory but a bit more about the Meta's rampage. It might not be entirely his fault Sigma could have controlled him the Omega controlled Doc. Because in the season 10 teaser he seemed evil

JB nine90 10:56, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think that the Epsilon versions of the characters in the Epsilon unit will be extracted by Epsilon and placed inside theri respective real-world counterparts to control the Armour enhancements that Simmons found in Season 8.

They don't have them anymore and there not alpha fragments so they wont be able to work it. By the way sign your posts

JB nine90 10:06, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Maine AI Theory
I've been thinking about AI lately in conjunction with a sci-fi series I'm reading, and I got to wondering what would happen if you merged an AI with a human mind. Naturally, Meta popped into my head.

What if, instead of downloading him into a memory unit or some other receptacle, they downloaded Sigma straight onto Maine's brain? He wouldn't even need an upgraded interface to control Maine's armor enhancements, since the Mjolnir armors already interface directly with the user's brain.

It would explain why, in chapter twenty of season eight, he was still able to use his bubble shield without killing himself, even though all the AIs were supposed to have been destroyed when the EMP went off at the freelancer base. It's explained in episode 5 of season ten that it's exceedingly rare to not kill yourself with the bubble shield when you don't have an AI. You could say that he'd integrated Tex into his armor, by virtue of the capture unit, but I say that wouldn't work, for two reasons. One, why would she help him? And two, the memory unit was converted into a capture unit. If she had enough control outside the unit to work his enhancements she'd probably have enough control to free herself. He also used invisibility in the same episode, and it seemed to be working fine as well so I doubt it was just a fluke.

It would also explain how he managed to keep Sigma after they started taking all the AIs back. For that, let's go through the list. Epsilon was taken back, because he drove Washington insane, and so was considered dangerous. They tried to take Omega back, because he was also considered extremely dangerous, but he possessed Tex and managed to escape. Meanwhile, they let York keep Delta, and let North keep Theta, because neither of them were considered dangerous. So, why wouldn't they take Sigma back? Maybe he escaped like Tex did, maybe his rampage was the reason they started taking the AIs back in the first place. Or maybe they couldn't take him back.

It also explains why he went insane. They say Carolina went insane when they downloaded two AIs in her armor at the same time. I imagine all they did was talk all the time. Maine, however, would have to SHARE thoughts with Sigma.

So, what do you guys think? It's a completely insane theory, and more likely than not it's going to be completely wrong. It's the only thing I can think of that would allow him to use his armor abilities after the EMP, other than Tex helping him. And yes, I know he was having trouble using them at the beginning of season eight, but as Wash said, he might have been trying to use all of them at the same time. Sigma just wouldn't be able to keep up by himself. ---By Xadian(In case the signature doesn't work...) ````

For your first point of "Why would she help him?", why would any of the A.I. such as Delta or the original Tex help him back in Reconstruction? To become the Alpha is a possible reason, but I'm sure at least Delta, and likely Theta would have resisted, the answer is more likely to be a more simple one, they were all forced. And the capture unit was fixed to his armor, connecting the systems, this means that she had acsess to his armor and systems, thus being able to run them as she was likely forced to do. "Why couldn't they take him back?" Likely because he and Maine were the reason they began to take A.I.'s back, although that doesn't really explain why some were able to keep their A.I.'s, although it could be they took A.I. who they thought would willingly aid the Meta. Maine has seemed somewhat... dimwitted to me in Season 9, more of a brute than a brainiac, so its possible that he went along with what Sigma said, just because he was told to. Then after getting a second, third, and eventually eighth A.I. he went insane, even when they were all take from him he couldn't repair his damaged mind. So in my opinion, you're theory is completely wrong. In all actuality, its wrong anyway as all A.I. Maine had were destroyed in the EMP, I believe it was confirmed only Epsilon escaped, which is kind of depressing because I like the A.I., which would prove Sigma dead. Also, for signatures use ~ not `. Sniper  ( Talk )  ( Contribs )   ( Edits ) 17:24, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

In reply to Xadian, Carolina would be driven insane because she has to share thoughts with the A.I. just like everyone else. Meaning, she's sharing thoughts with TWO A.I. Maine went insane because Sigma fucked with his brain, and this continued after Maine captured Theta and the other A.I. Maine basically became ludicrous. &mdash; Purple  Gecko  18:33, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Good points Sniper, and I can't really argue many of them. However, Theta, with his mind-break thing going on, would have gone along with anything if another AI told him to, without exactly wanting to. Sort of a middle between Non-consensual and consensual. Personally, I'm actually expecting him to have some sort of secret evil serial killer thing revealed. That's beside the point though.

On the capture unit. The term itself is explanatory. It was converted fom a regular unit into one that captures AIs, which still makes me think that it would have different protocols that would restrict allowances for the AIs trapped inside. Although maybe AIs inside units are just reduced to some sort of lesser state, where they're more restricted by Asimov's laws. In other words, they'd be forced to help. It does seem weird that he didn't use any enhancements during the fight with Tex, only using them after he captured her.

As for the EMP, they only affect electronics. If Sigma had been downloaded onto Maine's brain, he would have been unaffected. If he had been, then all of a sudden EMPs seem alot more dangerous, as they'd affect human neurology as well.

Thanks for the advice btw. Never even realized there was a second symbol there. >.<

As for Gecko, that's a good point too. I didn't consider that part enough. It's a little obvious now that I think about it. Washington said he refused to get another AI after Epsilon because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to hide the fact that he knew the origin of the fragments. Kind of implies that there's already a sort of melding of minds going on... -.-

I think my theory's been blown out of the water by episode 6 anyway.

I think I managed to pick out which AIs Sigma had in mind for the Meta. You can sort of see it at around 5:15. Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, Theta, Iota, Xi, Sigma, and Omega.(EDIT: I'm actually not so sure about these now, can someone confirm please?) Can he see the future? Almost none of those were taken back when they started recalling AIs.

You know, if you put together the personalities of the Ais that he had in mind, you have a moderately well rounded person. Omega for anger, with Theta and Delta to round him out, Sigma for imagination, Epsilon so they remember everything, and Delta so they aren't an idiot. Any thoughts? Xadian (talk) 02:04, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking there's a chance that the Director might have just used Epsilon's breakdown as an excuse towards South and never planned on giving her one at all, despite acting as if he might. As for the Meta. theoretically, Gary/Gamma might still be firewalled in the pelican despite Sheila not knowing how much longer she could hold him, and the Meta was unaware of it. Honestly I doubt that completely, but the Meta may have a different AI that we aren't aware of or something.   Grif  was  here  (talk) 08:39, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Maine's Strength
I was wondering if anyone has any ideas as to why Maine surivived so many injuries. I mean up to Season 10 episode 10 he has been shot by a sniper bullet to the heart, 7 pistol shots to the throat, bouncing on a freeway at high speed twice and getting slammed by a semi-truck which sends him off the over pass. Then in the mission at Longshore he survived getting rammed by a Warthog. In Revelation he also survived jumping on a land mine, various punches and kicks from Tex’s super strong robot body, getting sliced across the chest and then stabbed in the back by a knife, a Brute Shot explosion right by him, getting stabbed by another knife, and getting stabbed through by Tucker’s sword. So I think he could still be alive though I kinda doubt it. But I was wondering if anyone has a theory as to why he is still alive. ~Master Legolas-117

I take it you meant 'Revelation' instead of 'Recreation'. We can try and make logic of it, and if so, then I'd assume he had some form of armor enhancement. I can't say specifically, as it's mostly speculation, but perhaps his armor enhancement made him more durable or made him recover faster from injuries. I know in Revelation it's possible he had a healing unit, as the Chairman provided him and Wash with armor enhancements such as the Domed Energy Shield. It could just be, however, that he's an important character and needed to stay alive. At the end of Revelation, he was dragged off the cliff attatched to a warthog, and presumably his armor was quite heavy too, and plummeted to the icy water below. He probably would sink, save for some miraculous luck (which could happen). Socksucker (talk) 23:20, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yea I meant Revelation sorry about that but I was thinking what it he landed in the snow because the pelican landed in snow at the base of the cliff when Sarge kicked it off so I though Maine might have landed in the snow and it could have cushioned his fall and like you said he could have had the healing unit and if I were about to die at the bottom of a cliff I would try to use it even without and A.I. ~Master Legolas-117

I should note that If you're injured, and a healing isn't done properly, it can just fuck you up more. Western Gen (talk) 14:38, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Tex Theory
I have a theory. Possibly a pretty dumb theory, but nonetheless if someone has any thoughts then please say. We know that of the AI's that the Meta had, there is currently one unknown. To make up the symbol on the board in episode six, he needed two AI's that were not identified in Reconstruction (I think on the board it was Xi and Iota or something like that.) We also know that 'Tex' was one of the AI's the meta had. Is it possible that Tex was either Xi or Iota? Afterall, Tex was just a persona, as 'Church' was to Alpha, so could it be possible? We know that Tex 'came back' when they made Alpha, so could she have been the first fragment of the Alpha, and what made the Director realise that it was possible to split the Alpha. I'm probably not making much sense, but any thoughts then let me know. Socksucker (talk) 21:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

It's possible she is, but I find it unlikely as she was listed by the Director as being a byproduct of the process, rather than a personality fragment. Thus, I think he never gave her an A.I. name, rather designating her as Tex. It's always possible, until confirmed otherwise, that she was given an official A.I. name. I just doubt she was. If she was given an official name, then I would assume it to be Beta, as she'd be the second A.I. according to the canon that she gave the Director the idea to split the Alpha. I think that while he didn't need the Tex A.I., Sigma took Tex because she showed signs of metastability, due to having a full personality ranging from cold blooded, to bitchy, to actually somewhat loving in Epsiode 100. Having a potentially metastable A.I. would always be good for Sigma in completing his plans. That last part is just headcanon, and should be taken lightly. Sniper  ( Talk )  ( Contribs )   ( Edits ) 21:54, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Meta's Unidentified A.I./A.I Mentioned In Season 10:Episode 7
Well, I've decided it's enough of me disproving other theories, and now have made my own. :P Well for starters, the A.I. mentioned in Episode 7, as it will come back in my Meta's unknown A.I. part. I know that the obvious choice for the unknown A.I. is going to be Omega or Gamma, I'm not saying Epsilon, although that's another likely guess, just because I have yet to see Gamma come into play, despite seeing Wyoming twice, and thus, don't believe he was created yet, or that he was just created and is the one seen in Episode 7, so yes I believe it could be Gamma most of all. Another theory I have for the A.I. that was mentioned is that it was the unknown A.I. seen with the Meta in Reconstruction. Who would it be given to? The Unidentified Blue Soldier is my guess. Why? Well, why else create a character model that's different other than for him to play a part in the story? He hasn't played much of a part yet, well maybe that's because he's going to get the unknown A.I. and then be the Meta's first kill? That would be rather significant, and it would be an enjoyable Season finale scene, the Meta getting it's first kill and then Sigma telling the unknown A.I. what he says in the Preview Trailer? "We are the Meta, and we will find you." I think that would be one of the best final scenes for the Freelancer backstory. Why do I think this? Well, besides the character model for the unknown Blue Soldier who has yet played a role where he could just as easily not be there, and thus far has been a waste of time to have been worked on, in my opinion. Anyway, besides this and the fact it's name was not mentioned, I think this because it just fits better than most of the current theories. Like the one where the Meta took only one of Carolina's A.I., after she was implanted with two, and the one where Gamma was hiding behind Shelia's firewalls still and was never taken. These are just two of the theories I've heard, and two of the most common that I've heard, and neither sit well with me. So there you have it, my theory, feel free to rip me a new one. :3  Sniper   ( Talk )  ( Contribs )   ( Edits ) 04:33, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sandtrap Insurrection
Does anyone else think that the soldiers in Sandtrap were part of the Insurrection? Since Tucker was asking for help from Freelancer Command in Reconstruction, it unlikely that the enemies he was fighting in Recreation were part of Project Freelancer. We also learned that C.T. was part of the Insurrection in the past, so it makes sense that she would still be of the organization during Recreation. --Bron Hañda 13:54, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is likely. Although if the artifact that was being discussed in Episode 4 and the artifact being dug for in Recreation are the same, it seems odd that they'd wait 7 or more years to dig it up. Of course they could always be separate artifacts. Sniper  ( Talk )  ( Contribs )   ( Edits ) 18:45, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think that C.T. and the Insurrectionist leader swiched Armor and it was the Insurrectionist leader who was killed in season 7 and that C.T. is still alive. I have another theory that I don't think is true but I want to know what people think about it. Could C.T. be a double agent and really still working on the freelancers side? The counsler said "Another successful test" could the test be a double agent test? ~Master Legolas-117 Called it they did switch armor! ~Master Legolas-117

While your first theory may be true, Legolas, you second one is unlikely cause in Season 10 Episode 7, Carolina told the Director that C.T. was with the Insurrectionists after "Another successful test". Secondly, if she was a double agent, why would the Director send a squad of soldiers with experimental AI (that they want) that could die during the mission to bring back her armor.--Patrorin (talk) 09:49, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Vic never had is face hidden by a helmet. York was the first helmet wearing character who has revealed their face on screen. That is a noteworthy piece of trivia about Vic though Legolas. --Oo7nightfire (talk) 15:16, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Theory on why Halo 2/Halo 3 armor is used in Freelancer Backstory
Okay, so, here's basically my theory as to why Freelancer's are wearing the Mark VI armor instead of the Mark V, despite it being a prequel to Season 1. My idea is that the Mark V was only given to simulation troopers, while the Freelancer's wore the upgraded armor.

Just my guess.

&mdash; Purple  Gecko  19:34, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Then why are Tex and Wyoming seen in Seasons 1-the beginning of of 3 seen with Mk. V armor? Sniper  ( Talk ) <font color="#c0c0c0 "> ( Contribs )  <font color="#ff0000 "> ( Edits ) 19:55, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I believe the Freelancers can whatever helmets they want/whatever helmets suit them best. Maine and Carolina aren't seen with Mk VI helmets (But Meta was briefly seen with it in Recovery One). --Oo7nightfire (talk) 20:06, July 24, 2012 (UTC) I don't think that should really be held as canon, his armor colors and armor, as for the Freelancers, wouldn't they have changed helmets by now if it suited them best? And why would they revert back to Mk. VI later in the series? Sniper <font color="#000000 "> ( Talk ) <font color="#c0c0c0 "> ( Contribs )  <font color="#ff0000 "> ( Edits ) 21:19, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I think possibly in seasons 1-3 they (or at least Tex) would have worn it to fit in with the Simulation troopers, if the theory is that Simulation troopers wore Mk V. Personally though, I don't really think we should dwell on it at all. Socksucker (talk) 22:35, July 24, 2012 (UTC) I don't see why they would have to wear it to fit in, besides, Church had already seen Tex in her Mk. VI armor. If it weren't for Tucker's comment on how Caboose looked different, I'd assume that it was just the armor change, and that the Red's and Blue's had always worn Mk. VI armor, along with the Freelancers and the only reason they don't in Seasons 1-the beginning of 3 is just because the Mk. VI armor isn't available, but canonically they wore Mk. VI. Next time Burnie or someone hosts a Q&A, I suggest one of our members asks him this question. Sniper <font color="#000000 "> ( Talk ) <font color="#c0c0c0 "> ( Contribs )  <font color="#ff0000 "> ( Edits ) 00:30, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Freelancer?
I don't think he is another Freelancer. He was never mentioned to be part of a team, I am going to assume he is Team B's pilot. They would have mentioned what team he's on if he was a Freelancer. Cyrus Arc  15:26, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

And thats what it says Cyrus. A direct quote from the page. "Its is unknown if she/he is a Freelancer, or the pilot of the other Pelican." All thats said about them is that they are with Project Freelancer. Not that they are a Freelancer. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  20:56, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just a note: I'm sure he/she a Freelancer as Freelancers Recovery Six and Nine were freelancers and were dressed using the ODST helmet. In addition, the soldier isn't wearing pilot gear. What kind of pilot wears and straps grenade belts all over his/her body? But whether or not the soldier is a freelancer is still unknown ARC Trooper Tal 07:07, October 3, 2011 (UTC
 * Exactly. And thats why we put the posiblity of he/she being a pilot of the second pelican. Because nothing about them is confirmed. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  13:12, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Didn't Burnie have a tweet about this guy being a Freelancer? I seem to recall reading that somewhere...Dunno, I'll have to look for it later. -Ican'tsignmypostsonthisphone

There are 49 freelancers, so its most probable that he is one of the unused names. TIS ME THE AWESOME DRAGOON (talk) 15:56, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Alpha
Alpha's first robotic body. None of you noticed it didn't move an inch the whole time, not even to look around, and wasn't standing in a very casual position? Pvt. Church (Post-breakdown Alpha) wore standard Blue armour at Sidewinder, which we now know is the same place he was moved to, and Tex killing everyone there was the Freelancer Break-In. Also, Pvt. Church carried a Shotgun at Sidewinder, and so does this character. If his original weapon was a Shotgun, it could help to explain why he sucks so much with a Sniper Rifle. Alex T Snow 14:54, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

There is no way that that is a body for Church, merely because it is not a Mk. V or Mk. VI suit. And because of the ammo rounds. I think hes just the strong silent type. Although those were good observations.... also I don't think that Church's armor was regulation blue at Sidewinder. I believe it was the Cobalt we all know and love. However it was regulation blue at the training facility in Out of Mind Part II. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  14:51, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, good points, and now that I think about it, he was Cobalt at Sidewinder and Blue in Out Of Mind, I got them mixed up. My point about him having a shotgun and sucking with a sniper rifle still stands, though now it has nothing to do with this page :/ Alex T Snow 14:56, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Haha. That may be the reason that he is horrible with the Sniper Rifle. As he was trained for close quarters combat rather than being a sniper. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  15:07, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Your all forgetting that he was sent over to sidewinder AFTER the freelance broke into the Alpha HQ concvenced by their AI to get him. After wards they sent him their and then you know where.

I've always thought that that WAS the facility and that was the reason Tex attacked, she saw the Alpha in it's Church state, and realized he was past being helped, then he was sent to Blood Gulch, where no one would ever go so Freelancers wouldn't try and get him again. Wasn't it said that Avalanche in the Red vs. Blue universe is Sidewinder? It would make sense he was kept there before being stationed to Blood Gulch as it's a Freelancer base. Sniper <font color="#000000 "> ( Talk ) <font color="#c0c0c0 "> ( Contribs )  <font color="#ff0000 "> ( Edits ) 18:40, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

I highly doubt its church, mainly because in Planning the Heist, the Director was talking to Alpha (aka. Church) before he was called into the room full of Freelancers (The Unidentified Blue Soldier was present). Anonymous 3:16, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, Church has no ability to fight whatsoever! Plus right now he's being ripped apart by Omega and Gamma, trying to get fragments out of him. 65.75.226.4 12:36, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Recovery six
Could he be Recovery six? 81.96.55.146 23:16, November 6, 2011 (UTC) G0ldmagik

It is highly unlikely, but at this point it is possible. Everything that this character could be is unknown & info about him, at this point, is speculation. Oo7nightfire 23:34, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt it due to the different color scheme and different weapon preference, but as Nightfire said everything about this character is unknown. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  00:31, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

At the moment this is my favorite theory. I can just hear the Director say at the end of next season "Agent Texas has been located. Recovery Six, go get her". I dunno, this theory makes the most sense to me right now. Cyrus Arc  00:58, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Uh...wow. People are really getting creative here. There's as little info about this guy as there is about MBG. And the basis of it seems to be...he's an ODST and he's Blue? I guess? Does Recovery have something to do with it?

"I can just hear the Director say at the end of next season "Agent Texas has been located. Recovery Six, go get her"

Um...the end of...wat. Well APPARENTLY they're wrapping up the PF saga this season, so next season wouldn't be backstory, which would mean it would be present storyline and...he'd be dead. ಠ_ಠ

And if that's the case then there doesn't seem to be that much time left for the Director to say the prophesied line.

Also I don't get why people keep insisting he's someone we know. Does he have to be? Why CAN'T he be a new charachter? For me the Montana theory makes the most sense because it's so simple. We have a nametag for a Montana, so we know that there is a Montana, and we have this Blue Guy running around, who is so far unnamed. There's no weird speculation involved or anything, it's just a straight-up theory. Western Gen (talk) 01:59, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Do we KNOW Recovery Six? No. We don't. Personally I think that this character would be much more interesting if we had seen fim in the series berfore. And I didn't know they were wrapping up the story this season, though I'm not sure how... They have a lot left to explain still. Plus the theory he's Recovery Six is a heck of a lot more freaking believable than him being Caboose, Tucker, or Captain Flowers. I'm just saying this is my favorite theory. And unless they plan on introducing this guy in modern day as a new character like Wash or Carolina, than I would rather him be somebody we've met before and not just some random and pointless character that was introduced for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I mean really, what was his purpose at ALL in the last two seasons? The only time he was EVER usefull was when he killed the Turret Twins, and they could have gotten ANY random Freelancer to come in and do that. Cyrus Arc  04:21, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I meant know as in someone we've just seen before, not nessecarilly as a charchter. There's apparently a poster floating around saying it's the last part of the saga, though I'm not sure how accurate it is. And yes I KNOW those theories are shit, those are the ones I end up ranting about the most! XD Though really the basis of this one isn't very different...just a lot less evidence for anything

"I would rather him be somebody we've met before and not just some random and pointless character that was introduced for absolutely no reason whatsoever."

Like Recovery Six was? He was a random and pointless soldier introduced for absouletly no reason whatsoever.

"I would rather him be somebody we've met before" "Do we KNOW Recovery Six? No. We don't."

^also that seemed kinda hypocritical

The following edited quote isn't mocking you; it's just to point something out:

"I mean really, what was the Insurrection's purpose at ALL in the last two seasons? The only time they were EVER usefull was when (they shot Maine? explained a dude in S7? that's about it really), and they could have gotten ANY random enemy to come in and do that."

There was no evidence of anything like the "Insurrection", yet here we have an entire army of people we haven't met before, who don't really do anything. It's like MBG but an entire army of him. They even went so far as to give a face to a charchter (Knives) we know nothing about or even knew existed until the backstory. It's not that hard for me to believe they'd do the same for a Freelancer. Western Gen (talk) 04:56, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

That explanation with the Insurrection is not fair whatsoever. There are no enemies that are human in this series besides Project Freelancer, and since the flashbacks were ABOUT Project Freelancer they needed to come up with an enemy for them, or else they would have been fighiting nobody, which really can't happen. And I know we know nothing of Recovery Six, but I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I would really love for this guy to be a new character we've met before and for him to maybe be introduced in future seasons of RvB, but if I had a choice to make him any character seen before in the series, I would want him to be Recovery Six? Why? Because then he has an ending, sure we know nothing about him but we at least know why Recovery Six was sent to pick up The Director's favorite agent (I would assume he would want to send somebody he trusts and that has worked close to him before) and Recovery Six won't have to be brought up later. But to me it seems you just like arguing for arguing's sake, so i'll let you make pointless rebuttles to everything I just said. Cyrus Arc  19:34, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I thought PF would be like, fighting aliens. Apparently there was some sort of war with them going on, like there was in Halo canon, and it also seemed that it was great enough for Tex to side with Omega and Wyoming because of it. But then we see the backstory and...the alien war may as well not exist. It's just the Director firing his lazor.

If you recall, the medical people involved with Tex were different. The ones in black suits. So...Director has a special daycare team for Tex. Probably other peoples too. R6 could very well be one.

"a new character we've met before"

Uh...isn't that..an oxymoron? ಠ_ಠ

Also yeah I guess I don't really get what you're trying to say here

But one thing I thought of due to this, WAS it because of Tex that they were sent over there? Because apparently the Meta was fucking things up there for awhile before Recovery Agents FINALLY arrived. Also Tex's recovery beacon never seems to have gone off before, which makes me think she may have removed it herself, since she went rouge from PF after all. Though that would raise the question of why Meta didn't, and..................fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccckkkkk.

"But to me it seems you just like arguing for arguing's sake, so i'll let you make pointless rebuttles to everything I just said."

Dude. I don't hold grudges. I can argue with a person all day and talk to them the next like nothing happened. Because that's how I roll. Western Gen (talk) 20:24, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just saying that I want him to be a "New character we've never met before" As in a new character in present-day RvB that we've sort of met in flashbacks. But if he IS someone we've seen before season 9, I would bet he's Recovery Six. Cyrus Arc  02:03, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Medic?
No one has realized yet that the Freelancers don't have a medic. its quite possible this guy is the freelancer medic. This would explain him being with Wyoming at the end of Spiral. Just a thought Lorchyism 15:27, November 20, 2011 (UTC)Lorchyism23

And nobody has realized yet unless its confirmed nothing will be done to the page and that if they are just going to speculate about them they should just make a blog about it. Sniperteam82308  I Wanna Pony  16:39, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well in episode 10, he gets back up and he speaks! He says, "Seems like a good excuse to get out of this firefight." Am I crazy, or did that sound a lot like Doc? His voice isnt the only clue. When he pulled out the axe from his shoulder and threw it, he couldn't throw it far enough. Reminds me of season 8 episode 19 when he threw the hog winch for Washington.50.29.139.227 14:06, August 14, 2012 (UTC)Vivz

That was York speaking, not Blue Guy. >_>

Also, Doc was a pacifist. Western Gen (talk) 14:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Caboose?
What if it's Caboose...?

No. 174.224.137.172 02:52, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

It's actually a plausible theory, and it's not like it hasn't been hinted at before....Mad Mike (talk) 03:58, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I seriously doubt this to be possible in any way whatsoever. Also, how the fuck was it hinted? This guy has literally done NOTHING AT ALL. Shit, you could say he's Sarge because he has a shotgun and he's an ODST. 174.224.137.172 04:12, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Are you serious? It could be ANYONE, we haven't heard him/her speak yet, and even then what exactly makes it a plausible theory? He's blue? Socksucker (talk) 08:40, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

On a different note, it seemed weird to introduce this character and give him a fair amount of screen time just to kill him off in such a way. That said, judging by the picture on the page, it looked like it hit him in the shoulder so perhaps he could be alive. If not, I just hope they name him. Socksucker (talk) 08:48, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

It's not far fetched. The main one I hear is that Caboose was part of the Freelancers program. During a mission, he suffered severe brain damage. The Director, unwilling for one reason or another, to get rid of him, has him assigned to keep a eye over the Alpha.108.207.50.27 16:55, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

First off, At the start of BGC, Caboose was shown to have a fairly normal intelligence level. It was only after he got involved with AI's and such that he became the Caboose that we know today. This disproves the theroy that he had recieved brain damage from Project Freelancer, seeing as when he was first introduced he acted fine. Secondly, the events in the past take place years before BGC. I would think Caboose would act a bit differently if he were that age. Thirdly, Caboose has shown to not have any knowledge of Freelancer other than what people tell him. Fourthly, The Director or Blue Guy have done absoultely NOTHING to show that ANY of your theory could be true. Fifthly, Caboose lived on a moon and only went to Blood Gulch when he mistook a recruiting center for colleage. Lastly, If The Director assigned CABOOSE to PROTECT Church, he's a fucking idiot. 174.224.137.172 18:02, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Burn TheBluester (talk) 18:06, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

If you're serious about this theory then you should move it to the speculation house. And, despite what you say, it is far fetched. Socksucker (talk) 18:07, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

It isn't that farfetched. I think it hit him in the head, but didn't kill him. I HIGHLY doubt someone would "come from the moon". A different planet? Maybe. Because it has an atmosphere. The moon does not. I think if the hatchet hit him in the head, it definitely caused brain damage, and would've led him to believe crazy things. The director sent him to watch over Alpha, since he still retained some his sanity/ intelligence. But when messing with AIs and having people in his brain, he was suffered oxygen deprivation and suffered further brain damage because of it.

Moons can have domes or something, isn't far-fetched at this point in the future. And the fact none of the Freelancers who arrive later comment on Blue Soldiers "death" makes it seem that this guy/girl'll have to br in the infirmary.

It's not far-fetched to say Blue Guy didn't die. It IS far-fetched to say he's Caboose. I said the thing about the moon because RT did, and made it canon. I'm not just pulling things out of my ass like this theory is. So far, I have made multiple reasonable and  CANON  points to prove this guy is NOT Caboose, yet this theory has yet to provide ONE, instead giving us some halfassed speculation. I don't have to prove the second part about the brain trauma is false, seeing as Caboose was on a moon the whole time, but I will anyway. I could go into medical shit, but I won't. Because I can just do this.

<p style="text-align: center;">HE WAS NEVER HIT IN THE HEAD IN THE FIRST PLACE

<p style="text-align: center;">YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

<p style="text-align: center;">Western Gen (talk) 08:08, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

He fell 20 feet and landed on his head. Brain damage, but not death. MY ARGUEMENT IS VALID. And a random thought. He said he was raised on the moon with 17 sisters. The "moon" could be a freelancer ship. And 17 sisters could be 17 female freelancer agents. The odds of having 17 sisters and 0 "brothers" (male freelancer agents) is very unlikely, he probably just forgot about them because of the possible brain damage. We are never informed how long before the events of BGC and everything after it the Freelancer diaries (Season 9 and 10). It could have been weeks or years. In the event it was a short period of time, he could have been released from the infirmary and sent to protect the Alpha, which the director sent where someone would never look to protect it. Jackrc11 (talk) 23:39, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, this should be in the speculation house. ANYTHING can be a valid argument if you present it in a certain way. Like I could say to you, 'Unicorn's exist because nobody has disproved it'. That would be a stupid, but valid. This argument. This theory of yours is extremely unlikely, and is based upon very little facts. I love how you say he 'probably just forgot about them because of the possible brain damage.' and that it's 'very unlikely' that he would have 17 sister and 0 brothers. THIS IS RVB, IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY FOR A BOMB TO GO OFF AND SEND PEOPLE INTO THE FUTURE. IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY THAT MAINE COULD SUFFER THE INJURIES HE DID AND SURVIVE. Unlikely doesn't cover your theory. Why don't we just assume that every non-speaking character that gets injured is Caboose? I agre that the Blue Soldier in S9/10 probably isn't dead, but that proves nothing, and does not make your theory anymore likely. Your theory is almost complete speculation, with barely anything confirmed and I really think you should hold off on this theory until we get a bit more information about this soldier. There's nothing wrong with theorising, but they need to at least make some sense. Socksucker (talk) 00:43, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

"He fell 20 feet and landed on his head. Brain damage, but not death. MY ARGUEMENT IS VALID." First of all, you don't know how far he fell, don't bring numbers into this. Secondly, no he didn't. He landed on his back. Refer to the picture. Because of this, it would mean he did not suffer brain damage like you said he did, thus making the thing about him forgetting about Freelancer irrelevant. Also, even if he did hit his head, how the fuck do you know it caused brain damage, and what kind? Thirdly, your argument is still invalid.

"We are never informed how long before the events of BGC and everything after it the Freelancer diaries (Season 9 and 10). It could have been weeks or years."

Yes we are. Nearly every instance where it shows the past the caption comes up as "MANY YEARS AGO". It was a long time ago. Everything you said past that is irrelevant. If he got brain damage from this incident, he would've had it for years before he came to Blood Gulch. And this is already proven false because Caboose acted fine when he first got there.

You're saying this guy got brain damage from this, then went to Blood Gulch, and the AI's there gave him more brain damage. Caboose's mind was fine when he first arrived. There was no brain damage prior to his arrival at BG.

For the poster, yes, I agree he was probably put on there for a reason, but no one knows why yet. I doubt they would put him on there because he was going to have brain damage later, though. No, I believe he'll be a part of something bigger in the Freelancer backstory. Because according to your theory, after this incident this guy is in the infirmary the rest of the series until he wakes up to become Caboose.

Something else, you didn't know about Caboose living on a moon until I pointed it out, and just adapted your theory for it, in a way that makes it seem like it didn't really happen. Even when RT themselves have confirmed YES, HE LIVED ON A MOON. If you think that whole story is unlikely, refer to Socksucker's post:

"THIS IS RVB, IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY FOR A BOMB TO GO OFF AND SEND PEOPLE INTO THE FUTURE. IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY THAT MAINE COULD SUFFER THE INJURIES HE DID AND SURVIVE."

This is what's called a crackpot theory. A theory with absolutely no evidence to back it up, instead basing itself on wild speculation. There's plenty of evidence to show Blue Guy isn't Caboose, but not one bit of evidence to show he is.

If you want this theory to be taken seriously, you have to come up with evidence from the actual series to show that this guy could be Caboose. Otherwise it's a load of bullshit and no one will believe you. Move this to the Speculation house.

"Why don't we just assume that every non-speaking character that gets injured is Caboose?"

HOLY SHIT CABOOSE IS EVERYWHERE Western Gen (talk) 04:38, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand how he would be able to bring up the argument again, seeing as you just disproved it completely. Good job.
 * Round of applause***

Also, "HOLY SHIT CABOOSE IS EVERYWHERE". Reminds of the DVD menu for Recreation, where multiple Caboose's are hanging out at Valhalla. Socksucker (talk) 11:40, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

I know some of my ideas are speculative, if not idiotic. I am simply putting out ideas in the extreme for the sake of speculation. And we STILL don't know if that bomb sent in them into the future. Rumors circulate that Command acted like that happened to give the Reds and Blues an incentive to keep fighting. I really don't understand how Alpha without a doubt got sent back, being an AI, although perhaps that makes more sense. All I'm saying is that blue ODST is alive and important somehow. I mean, Four Seven Niner is on that poster, and she's only had a major speaking role once or twice. Jackrc11 (talk) 02:42, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we already KNOW he's probably alive and important. Hell, I even said that myself. MULTIPLE TIMES. Did you not read it all?

Personally I think the whole "BOMB SENDS PEOPLE INTO FUTURE" thing was complete bullshit, and that they never did go into the future (and yes, that is insinuated as well), but how that makes sense is never properly explained. It might have something to do with Wyoming and Gamma with their Timefuck enhancement.

Regardless, the bomb has nothing to do with this seeing as it wouldn't affect their actual ages at all and the only reason I think you even bothered to bring it up is because Socksucker mentioned it. And he's still right. None of that backs up your theory of Blue Guy being Caboose, either.

Also, you don't need to put out extreme speculation ideas either simply because if you do they'll just be proven horribly horribly wrong, like this one. Western Gen (talk) 04:13, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ok I don't like the flak you're giving this guy. This is in the speculation house, so any speculation is valid speculation... No matter how far-fetched. Perhaps there's no overt or even anything at all in the series that suggests this Blue dude is Caboose, but heck... Stranger things have happened (Flowers came back from the dead) My points here as to why Caboose could possibly be this guy (Though bear in mind this is simply SPECULATION, and I'm clutching at straws to see if they connect).

1. Caboose is smarter than he gives out, as seen by his sometimes profound and intelligent comments. He also is very skilled at working with tech, having managed to hack into the collapsing memory unit to pull Epsilon-Church out, as well as transferring Epsilon-Church into the ALIEN artifact before that. (More recently he's transferred Epsilon-Church into a mongoose). Another thing is the old thing about the inside of Caboose's mind. Inside you find Caboose to be very intellectual, though his perceptions of everyone else are far wrong. Perhaps he's smart, and sees everything else differently (Differently 'constructed' mind) meaning he appears idiotic for the most part.

2. S10E10 After taking the axe to the shoulder and falling however far (I'd say closer to 25 feet seems reasonable) he took the axe and threw it back, however it fell short. Now two things... His resilience. He took an axe and fell 25 ft. approx. That guy would have to be pretty damn strong, kinda like Maine and Tex... Hang on, who was the only guy who could lift Andy, including Tex? The other point to get at is his throwing ability. With that sorta strength he should be able to make the throw, but couldn't. This suggests a lacking throwing ability... Worst throw ever, anyone?

3. The whole moon and 17 sisters... I know RT confirmed that as canon, but they also originally confirmed Church and Tex being ghosts as 'canon' and look how that turned out. As such it's canon then that Caboose says that is his history, but perhaps Caboose isn't giving the whole story (Return to the 'ship/moon freelancer thing')

I will just reiterate that this is specualtion, and everything I posted above was brought up as things I could possibly make into evidence. Though I'm not saying this blue guy is definitely Caboose. After all he could just be Wyoming's spotter and like most normal soldiers (Big ODST guy, knife girl) he's just pretty strong and shit. After all, snipers in the military usually have spotters. ~ ConradianChrysaor 22:36, August 2, 2012 (GMT+1, BST)

What, you think I don't understand what this place is? I know fully well this is the speculation house. If someone posts a bullshit theory, I'm not going to just sit around and have it infect anyone else with it's shittiness. If it's far-fetched, it just means there's more room for me to rip the theory a new one. I have ACTUAL PROOF for disproving this theory. If there's proof to disprove it, why the fuck not shouldn't I post it? Also, someone coming back from the dead isn't strange, seeing as it happens ALL THE TIME.

To address your points,

1) I fail to see what this has to do with him being Blue Guy. The whole point of the other dude's argument was that he took brain damage, got stupid, and became Caboose. This point doesn't really prove anything.

2) THEY WEAR ARMOR FOR A REASON YA KNOW. If he was protected by it, who the fuck knows if he's that strong, the armor could've took most of the hit. Though I will admit what the armor protects isn't very consistent half the time. Also, Caboose made the worst throw ever with a wall DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HIM. You could have a great throwing ability and still throw it at a wall! And from the episode, the whole "Worst throw ever" thing seemed to be part of Caboose's team-killing gig anyway. I guess.

Mmm, I'm still kinda unsure about his strength. I'd wait until we saw more of him before making claims about that.

3) Once again, this is taking something Rooster Teeth has confirmed and twisting it. YES, HE LIVED ON A MOON. I myself don't know where the information comes from, but it was on his page at this wiki, and I doubt they would keep it there unless it was confirmed. I don't remember Caboose saying it, but for some reason I'm thinking DVD. In which case, RT themselves gave the story, and not Caboose. Also, the end of your point is basically saying that canon might not really be canon.

CTRL+F+U

EDIT: Ok now when I look back you didn't even really give much proof to show he is him. The points were just:

1) Caboose isn't that dumb

2) Caboose is strong and throws bad

3) Caboose doesn't know his family history

None of which connect him to Blue Guy, except his throw. Which seems like a really shitty reason. Western Gen (talk) 04:07, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

PLUS! Caboose isn't the only one that throws bad. Doc does too, and heck Grif probably does as well. Does that make the blue guy Grif or Doc? NO! SO JUST DROP IT AND LET ROOSTER TEETH REVEAL WHO HE IS IN FREAKING TIME!!!! (Sorry for getting angry, this pointless discussion is irritating me). Also we may never know who he is, and I'm okay with that. It'll be another mystery right up there with Sister's fate. Cyrus Arc  05:07, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then I realise I didn't connect it. The whole point is that the Freelancer's are in general very smart soldiers, having their own abilities to think on the spot and create new plans as they go (I said in general, because of Maine. He isn't stupid by any count, but he's not as good on the spot). I know this is different to the intelligence Caboose shows, but I still have seen anyone on the team who's good with tech (Asides from York, the infiltration specialist).

The second point I believe kinda stands, though I agree that not throwing far enough/enough power isn't quite the same as throwing into a wall. Though let's face it throwing into a wall (Worst throw ever) isn't much like not throwing the tow hook anywhere at all (Second worst throw ever).

Third point I apologise for then. I believed it to have been Caboose who said he lived on the moon with 17 sisters and RT confirmed that he did believe that and that was his backstory.

I will now reiterate the final paragraph of my post, which both of you have ignored. They were three things I could pull up from basic memory to forge into something that could possibly stand as 'evidence' that this Blue Guy was Caboose. At no point did I say I believe it's Caboose. God I'd love for it to be Caboose, that'd be hilarious and I'd like to see them work around all of that, but I'm not holding my breath. I BELIEVE HE IS JUST WYOMING'S SPOTTER, as I said before. In the military snipers have spotters, plus this Blue Guy wears ODST, not Mark VI. That suggests he's not a Freelancer, and he's just a good soldier. The sleeveless soldier survived a heck of a lot, as did the sniper soldier, so it's possible that soldiers are just hard guys.

Now, stop giving people flak, and let people speculate as they wish to speculate. You don't like this discussion? Then don't get involved anymore, simple as that. The only person to blame Cyrus for your anger at this is yourself, because you let yourself get worked up about it.

~ConradianChrysaor 12:18, August 3, 2012 (GMT+1, BST)

Why the fuck are you calling out Cyrus? If anyone it should be me, seeing as I've contributed more towards revealing this theory as bullshit than anyone else has. COME AT ME BRO

To address the points again, (AND FIN3 UR FINUL PRAGRAPH 2)

1) I still fail to see what it has to do with Blue Guy being Caboose. Anyone could be smart, Anyone could think on the spot (Relatively speaking). There doesn't seem to be anything unique about his methods that connect him to Caboose.

2) Yeah, the two differed in that Doc tried to do an actual throw, and failed. Caboose was...being Caboose. But in any case, I'd like it if we saw more of Blue Guy's feats before judging his strength or whatever, seeing as right now there isn't that much to go on.

3) Okay.

FINUL PRAGRAPH)

I would HATE if it was Caboose. If nothing else than because it'd cause some major plotholes with him and Freelancer. And, considering RT's ability with plotholes, no, they wouldn't be able to work around it. Also because it just doesn't seem right. For him to have been a good solider at one point but then reduced to a sim trooper and what he is now...isn't that kinda sad?

The point with helmets doesn't really work because...we've seen them wearing helmets other than Mark VI. I know we've seen regular PF troops in ODST, but who's to say a Freelancer couldn't be as well? And yeah we've realized that the soldiers can survive anything, almost no one dies in this show.

Now, as for being the spotter for Wyoming's mustache, This sounds more likely than him being Caboose. Though I have to admit he'd be a bad one because he didn't really help Wyoming with his shooting that much from what it looks like.

"let people speculate as they wish to speculate."

I'm not stopping you. If you feel like making a theory that's likely to be disproven by plot, go right ahead. Western Gen (talk) 14:31, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Caboose's Father?
Okay, get this... what if it's Caboose's Dad?

Now, I know this is kind of far fetched (and I don't want to take all the flak the last guy took), but hear me out.

In S6E3, Wash goes to get Caboose from the Blue Rat's Nest Base. After finding out Wash is from Command, Caboose immediately assumes someone died, because "they never have good news." While asking Wash who died, he then says "Was it my Dad? Did my Dad die again?" implying that his Dad is already deceased (e.g. Tomahawk'd in the shoulder and falling who knows how far).

So... Yeah. Tell me what you think! --TK 234 (talk) 15:26, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, first off I think you should move this theory to the speculation house. Second, this theory is INSANE. It's based on nothing. Nothing except a comment made by a character that frequently makes strange remarks, a comment that was obviously made for comedic reasons. The theory you have assumes so much, and has almost no basis in fact. Why don't you just assume any non-speaking character that dies is the father of one of the Blood Gulch cast? Exactly what links the characters, besides their armour colour? Seriously, nothing wrong with a theory being a little far-fetched, but these are beyond a joke. Post it in the speculation house. Socksucker (talk) 15:40, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. First of all, I find it unlikely he died from that. Secondly, the only evidence you have to back that up is that Caboose said his Dad died. That means it's just as possible Caboose's Dad could be ANY OTHER MALE CHARTERER WHO DIED. There's nothing about this guy that links him to Caboose in any way. I guess people just thought "Hey this guy is blue! *gasp* OMG CABOOSE IS ALSO BLUE THEY MUST BE RELATED OR MAYBE IT IS CABOOSE". Also, I think the stuff Caboose said about his family was more for comedic effect and not meant to become a big part of the plot. And hey, he said he thought his brother who didn't exist died, so, we can't be entirely sure for the rest of his family.

If someone finds actual evidence to show these two are connected, then please, say so. And yeah listen to Socksucker too. Western Gen (talk) 15:52, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Robot
What if this Blue Freelancer is just a robot, possibly planted by the Director to assess the inner workings of Project Freelancer as he sees fit?

Said Freelancer doesn't speak, similar to how Lopez didn't speak until he had a voice program built it and he took an ax to the chest without damage. He has incredible strength, seeing as how he tossed that tomahawk at the Twin's pretty hard (I saw it as him saying, "Fuck you" to them instead of how people are seeing it as a fail throw).

The Director is obviously a cautious man, and seeing as how he knows there are traitors even among his ranks (i.e. C.T.) then isn't it possible that he placed Blue Freelancer there to keep an eye on them?

Seeing as how Carolina is out for the Director along with Washington, we may see more of this Blue Freelancer who is more then likely a very loyal guardian. It would explain not only this heavy emphasis on Blue Freelancers comings and goings throughout this arc, and would also pave the way for giving him more screen time.--User:Zawazambe (talk to me) 12:30, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ok well at least this theory isn't as shitty as the "BLUE GUY IS CABOOSE" one. So, what, you're basically saying he's a robot spy?

The ax, eh, I think that was just Monty, I'm pretty sure if you gave any of them an ax Monty'd make them able to throw it like that.

But if you're saying that Blue Guy was supposted to keep a watch on them, particurally people like CT, then...why wasn't he present on the mission in space?

The Loyalty thing, I dunno, I suppose he could be, but, with so many people rebelling from Project Freelancer I'm not sure if even the robots would stay with him. Also wouldn't there have to be an AI running this robot, or something? Western Gen (talk) 14:30, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Robot's don't need AI to run, just look at Lopez. And I'm not saying his mission was to "spy" on C.T.; I'm saying that Blue Freelancer could be the 'eyes and ears' for the Director inside Project Freelancer. Also, why would a robot be rebelling from Project Freelancer? C.T. only rebelled because she found out the true reasoning behind the Alpha and everything, Carolina is rebelling because she feels betrayed, etc. A robot would serve well, because it's loyalty wouldn't ever falter. If you are comparing this to Lopez "revolting", remember that he was dealing with the incompetence of 'simulation soldiers' and also was programmed by Sarge putting him and the Blue Freelancer into complete opposite leagues if said theory is true.--User:Zawazambe (talk to me) 18:18, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Tucker
I have a prety good reason to believe that the Unknown Blue Soldier is Tucker. Before the Blood Gulch Chronicles, Tucker had blue armor instead of what it is now. Tucker is also the only member of blue team, whose past we have no clue about. Also, Tucker being a Freelancer might be the reason for his skills said in his page. and to wrap up my speculation, Tucker = Kentucky. TheBluester (talk) 01:04, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

It was regulation blue armor. EVERY normal blue solider wore it. And Tucker didn't know about Freelancer until people told him about it. Also, I would hate to think that you HAVE to be a Freelancer to be good at combat. Western Gen (talk) 01:20, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

True, but its just something to think about TheBluester (talk) 01:26, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Gamma (Gary)
I would like to submit Gamma as a possible identity for this character. I base this on the following:


 * 1) We already have Tex as a precedent for an AI using a body in the Freelancer Program.
 * 2) Gamma was partnered with Wyoming, and so was this character.
 * 3) Gamma spoke with a computer-voice. Therefore, it would be reasonable to conjecture that there is a connection to this character's lack of speaking.

BCM_00 (talk) 0411, 19 August 2012 (CDT)

Captain Butch Flowers?
Perhaps Captain Butch Flowers, his status as a former member of project Freelancer could account for his high ranking, also, Burnie stated that he was present during project Freelancer. Just a thought.

When did Burnie say this? I'd like to see it. Western Gen (talk) 01:17, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

MIA theory
Hey guys, I have a theory on MIA. I believe that this is NOT the original ending. My biggest Reason being, the table reading. Somewhere in it Burnie talked about they were only reading the FIRST COUPLE EPISODES. He also talks about how Dan Godwin couldn't make it and they had to move a lot of his lines to Simmons to make it work. If they were only Reading the FIRST COUPLE EPISODES, then why would they have to move Donuts lines?

Secondly, the letter doesn't EXACTLY work. It said, "Dear Red Team, We have Grif, and we are NOT GIVING HIM BACK." If they were just going shopping, then why did it say, " we are NOT GIVING HIM BACK"?

Next, also in the letter, it said,"DEMANDS WILL BE SENT LATER." At episode six Donut said, we were demanding more time off REMEMBER? And then, they acted like they knew what they were talking about. If they knew, then why did it say demands would be sent LATER?

Lastly, at the table read, Burnie said they were calling It a MAXISERIRES. if it was a maxiseries, then why would it have only six episodes? Maxiseries have to have at 14(I believe that is what Wikipedia said). I think I have some pretty good Reasons, so tell me what you think. --LaserFaceChurch (talk) 20:58, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I still need to watch MIA again (and I never watched the Table Read), buuuut.......

Scripts for episodes can change. It's very likely they removed parts of it altogether. Also, he may have meant for Simmons to say things instead of Donut (except, you know, in a Simmons way, not a Donut way), or that Donut was supposted to appear earlier or something but since Dan wasn't around they had Simmons fill that place.

Also, whatever shit was in the letter, it was about how Donut had Grif, and they already solved that problem, so, I don't see how anything left in it would matter. If some parts of it didn't make sense, well, neither does Donut.

I think Burnie wanted it to be a maxiseries, but it was shortened down to a miniseries after all. Also, the shit that happenes inside the memory unit is over with (or at least I FUCKING HOPE SO), so I really don't think they'd go BACK inside that fucking thing just for this miniseries (or even a flashback or whatever). The memory unit was a Season 9 thing, and that's over now. MIA ended, I doubt it will continue, and quite frankly I don't want it to because I want RvB to get the fuck away from that memory unit. Western Gen (talk) 04:46, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think, despite RT stating otherwise, that the MIA series was meant to be non-canon, and just happened to be filmed in Halo Reach, which doesn't necessarily mean that it happened in the Memory Unit. I know that RT said it was, but I don't really see how. After all, Sarge expressed surprise that Vic 'remembered' him, suggesting it was a long time since they had last spoken, and Sarge and Doc also conversed as if they had met before, which does now make sense if the series was canon. Of course, most of Epsilon's memories of Blood Gulch were provided by Caboose, so I suppose it's possible that Caboose mixed up some of the stories when telling them to Epsilon, but nonetheless, the events in the series contradict RT saying it was canon. Whatever though, it was actually quite a funny mini-series, but I'm also glad the memory unit stuff is over with, it would have been much more interesting had the present storyline followed the rescue of Epsilon, rather than the events in the memory unit. Socksucker (talk) 13:01, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

It was a short miniseries meant to be funny, of course they're not going to explain how they knew eachother or shit like that. I don't remember RT saying it was canon (Though I probably just missed it somewhere), but wether it was canon or not doesn't matter seeing as it doesn't affect the rest of the story at all. And I really, really doubt that it was anywhere but the memory unit.

Regardless, I don't think there's anything to see here guys, MIA was just a short little series to amuse people for awhile, and it's over now. And hopefully RT has given up on that memory unit altogether. Western Gen (talk) 13:38, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Burnie just lied about having to move Donut's lines to Simmons so we wouldn't question his disappearance from the base as well. That way people think "Oh they couldn't get Dan, so Donut's not in this, let's not question where Donut is, let's only question where Grif is."  <font color="orange" size="4" face="Courier New"> Grif <font color="blue" face="Courier New"> was <font color="green" face="Courier New"> here  (talk) 04:09, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

The Missing AI
As we found out in this episode, Carolina will be receiving 2 AI, Eta and Iota. Now this confused me, as I assumed Carolina had Iota and Xi, since that's the two remaining AI Sigma had on the board to achieve, what he thought would be, metastability. But now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense Carolina wouldn't receive both. In the last chapter of Reconstruction, it is obvious The Meta was missing AI. On Sigma's board, there were 8 AI he needed to "Acquire". These AI were; Gamma, Delta, Theta, Himself, Omega, Epsilon, Iota, and Xi. In Reconstruction (Not counting the original Tex AI) The Meta only had 6 AI, meaning he was missing Epsilon, and Xi or Iota. Now I have to theories to give. One is that Carolina was attacked by The Meta during her broken state, but was able to give her AI to Meta so she would live and fight another day, this resulted in The Meta acquiring Iota, and as Sigma had no need of Eta, as he wasn't needed for Metastability, Eta was destroyed or deleted or left wherever he was. Another theory is that Carolina's AI were taken away from her after she was suffering so much, and were put in Freelancer storage. The Meta killed whatever Freelancer had the Xi AI, and was heading to the facility to acquire both Epsilon and Xi. I'm not sure which theory I prefer more... Probably the one where The Meta took Xi, as it is most plausible. So that would explain how one AI was 2 short of the AI in Reconstuction and not just 1 short. So this means that yellow AI is either Xi or Iota, and the other was in storage when Wash set off the EMP. (Also I find it cool that Gamma and Sigma were right next to each other during the projections behind The Meta, showing that they were working together and maybe even Omega too, since he was near them) Cyrus  Arc  05:34, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

The Insurection Elite Soilders
Heres my theory bassically about the Insurection ELites (SNiper, Twins, Buff, Female). Im starting to think that the non-story important insurectionists are ment to mirror some of the freelancers, and this is actually a pretty decent explination of why. Excluding the Leader, Flame Soilder, and the Guy with the robot arm. These Insurectionists share some/many (in some cases) traits of the freelancers. I think I will start off with the twin insurectionists (smiles and the frowny one). They share two traits with North and SOuth Dakota (the obvious being they are twins.), and second, they share some minor personality traits to (i.E North is almost always in a good mood, while south can be somewhat of a downer.). Then there comes the sniper, who shares Wyomings build, marksman ship, and the fact that he brags about his shots. Also the Female insurectionist shares the speed and combat ability of freelancer carolina. Finnaly, the buff soilder shares a few traits with maine. They both are incredibly strong, never reveal there faces in the course of any season, and they both rarely if ever talk. SO there you have it, my theory on why some of the Elite Insurrectionists were even written into the series. Also INSURECTION FTW!! Chill98

Maine's AI
If Carolina was originally supposed to get Sigma, and Wash and South were supposed to get Eta and Iota, i'm guessing this means Maine was originally supposed to get Epsilon? I'm also guessing this means that if there is a AI named Xi, the Mystery Blue Guy is going to obtain him, so every "top" Freelancer has an AI. - 99alexthema99

Sigma's End?
I haven't posted here, on the Speculation House before, so please forgive any errors I may make. I have a theory on what's going to happen at the end of this season with Sigma. At first, I figured that they'd end it with his "demise" during the EMP, giving a bit more insight on his final moments. But I was browsing through some of the pages on this wiki, and on the A.I page, I noticed it said that he was still a memory in Epsilon...this got me thinking.

If he's still a memory in the unit, doesn't that mean that Epsilon can still take the form of Sigma? And display him with the same personality (granted, he remembers him correctly), similarly to how Alpha/Church is being displayed, and how Delta was briefly? What if Sigma's Memory has the same goal? To become a whole A.I? That may not be entirely possible, now that the other A.I are gone (even though Epsilon retains a memory of them as well), but maybe there is a way? Extracting the other memory A.I from Epsilon? Perhaps something similar to the Alpha fragmentation, all over again? It may seem a bit far fetched, but it seems a bit convenient to have all of the A.I together in one place like that, even if they're just memories. For, as we know, memories can be powerful things.

I'm not just writing this to talk to myself, however. The whole point of the Speculation House is discussion and..well, speculation after all. Feel free to disprove my theory, or add on to it ^^ - Darkot

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh fuck no I can see RT trying to do this too and I hope they don't simply because it would cause SO MUCH BULLSHIT Western Gen (talk) 01:27, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

XD It would certainly make things more complicated. But, since when has RvB been simple =p? - Darkot

My theory on the yellow AI
I've put a lot of thought into this. When we see the Meta with his acquired 7 AI, they are in this order Delta Sigma Gamma Omega The Unidentified AI Theta Tex in AI form

Anyways,the Unidentified AI seems to be loose and flowing, which very well may be just the AI's personality, like how Sigma is burning and Gamma has jerky movements to accompany his voice. But what if this AI is a mix of Eta and Iota? Maybe Sigma convinced Eta and Iota to "stick together" in Carolina's head, which would explain her insanity, since the two were removed they would be stronger than the other fragments (which would explain why Omega caused Wyoming so much mental harm when he forcibly removed himself, and Omega was stated to be stronger) Its just a theory, but it would explain why Maine had 7, not 8 (not including Epsilon and Alpha) AI's present. If the yellow isn't a mix, then Maine missed one. Or its possible that either Eta or Iota was deleted. Rooster Teeth never fails to surprise me.

First post! someone give me some thoughts on my idea. -AwesomePerson855

Makes sense to me. At first, before this seasons, I thought that, that A.I was either going to be creativity (which, I now know is Sigma), or some sort of abomination, because of its odd appearance. It would make sense if that, was what two A.I merged together looked like, since all of the other ones at least somewhat resemble a human. That is unless, as you said, his appearance is based off of his personality (then again, now that I think about it, a lot of A.I don't have appearances that reflect on their personality. Some do, like Garry/Gamma and Sigma, but look at ALpha/Church, Delta, Theta, and Omega/O'malley. They all just have armour on. If their display units didn't have colour, we couldn't tell them apart XD). I took a look at the Meta's page, and was reminded that, when Sigma created his symbol, he left out Eta. This may support your theory. Perhaps Sigma already intended for Eta and Iota to merge, so he left Eta out? - Darkot

What's in that Sarcophagus?
Ok just stick with me on this. They needed something to split the Alpha. The sarcophagus came up right before Delta's "birth." the markings on the sarcophagus are the same that are on the engineers in Halo. When the sarcophagus started freaking out, it was making the same noises as engineers do. I honestly think that the sarcophagus is an engineer that they used to spilt the alpha. TheBluester (talk) 20:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. That was my theory as well. Western Gen (talk) 21:03, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

... You are correct, sir.

A.I. theory.
Okay, I've been away from this wiki for a while, so I have no idea whether anything I'm about to bring up has been discussed or disproven, so I apologise in advance just incase.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the last time I was on here briefly people were trying to work out if the Meta had stolen Eta or Iota, as he couldn't have both due to him only having 7 (or 8, I forget the exact number) A.I. in Reconstruction. What if he had neither? It seems likey to me that if they are removed from Carolina they'll be put back in storage, as Wash stated in Reconstruction that even the bad variants were stored in the facility (eg. Epsilon), so I doubt it that the Meta would be able to procure them if they were there.

Previously I had raised a theory that the 7th A.I. could have come from Recovery Six/Nine, as in the trailer one of the two's recovery beacon activated. I think someone refuted this by saying that the beacons activate even if an Agent doesn't have an A.I., using Wash's beacon at the end of S6 as an example.

In Chapter 5 of Reconstruction, Wash explained to Church about his Recovery Beacon:"That was my recovery beacon. It means an A.I. somewhere is in jeopardy and I have to find it before- ...something, else, does."

He specifically mentioned A.I., and didn't say anything about equipment. Wash was a Recovery Agent, so wouldn't he be well informed on the exact function of his Recovery Beacon? As for the end of Reconstruction, I believe Wash's Recovery Beacon activated because he had the Alpha. Though the Director didn't seem surprised at this, which makes me doubt my theory a little.

So in summary, I believe it is possible that the A.I. came from either Recovery Six/Nine, and Eta and Iota were not captured. Of course, the A.I. could have also come from any other Freelancer that hasn't been shown on screen, or the Blue soldier, or...Basically, I acknowledge that the possibilities are almost endless, but I wanted to throw this in as well. Thanks for reading. Socksucker (talk) 16:25, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wash picked up a weak recovery beacon from Mowhawk Dude in S8, someone without an AI (que crackpot theories on how he did have an AI). But really the recovery beacon is bullshit because it never fucking works when you need it to. It just works in ways that try and get the story going. From what I can tell, it's SUPPOSED to work whenever an Agent or AI is in jeopardy, or when the suit is low on power. But they never seem to work that way. Like, for example, you'd think they'd have been able to find CTs armor in the past storyline since it would send out a beacon when she DIED IN IT. There was a beacon when Mowhawk Dude died in it, after all. But also Wash had to apparently get NEAR the armor before he realized "Hey, someone's in trouble he-Owait they're dead." Talk about shoddy equipment.

I agree that Eta and Iota probably weren't captured (I'm still thinking Xi), but I don't think it was from R6/9. Blue guy seems more likely than some useless PF soldiers who died instantly. Western Gen (talk) 16:47, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot about that, but you're right, it only really serves to advance the plot in most cases. In the past storyline, I reckon that the Recovery branch of Freelancer hasn't been formed yet, I think it happens after the Epsilon incident as it was the aftermath of the incident and Wash's consequent aversion to having another A.I. in his head that they made him a Recovery agent. I suppose it is possible it was beforehand though. With regards to Six and Nine, that's the point. Their only purpose was to show the power of the Meta in the trailer, and they were easy to kill off because of that. I do agree that the Blue guy is probably more likely though. Socksucker (talk) 17:01, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, they already have a Recovery One. I don't see why they wouldn't have a recovery force. If the Director's shit is illegal as fuck, then of course he's going to want to recover it if something happens. CT's armor apparently counts as evidence for all his shit so of course he'd want it back. It would explain why he's been so pissed at Carolina. That and she's acting like a bratty teenager. But yeah, if for some reason he DIDN'T have a recovery force before, after he starting losing stuff like ENTIRE SUITS OF ARMOR he was probably like "Hmm...Councelor, ah think we needah betta way ta keep track of ouh shit." Western Gen (talk) 18:19, September 29, 2012 (UTC)